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Talking point supporting Permanently end the Death Tax:
It doesn't just affect the rich

deblock306 marked It doesn't just affect the rich unhelpful Sat Apr 25 20:33:27 -0700 2009 1 comment
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deblock306 (opposes) Sat Apr 25 20:37:31 -0700 2009

Are you saying that the estate is valued at over $ 7,000,000; because if it isn’t then what are you worried about. any estate is exempt up to that amount.

Alice Citizen marked It doesn't just affect the rich helpful Sun Dec 28 13:08:56 -0800 2008 14 comments
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lvtfan (opposes) Sun Jan 04 14:40:20 -0800 2009

Uncle Sam is not interested in your six room house; unless it is sitting on an awesomely valuable piece of beach or a 0.05 acre lot in midtown Manhattan, it is not likely to be worth enough to trigger a federal estate tax. And, if it does, the value is mostly in the land, not in the 6 rooms. Your fellow human beings made that land valuable; you didn’t!

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oterj0 (endorses) Sun Jan 11 16:22:50 -0800 2009

The link helped me understand your contentions; however, I view it as completely wrong to say that supply of land is 100% inelastic. Yes, land is a finite resource, but a lot of land simply isn’t used because the infrastructure costs required to develop it are too high. Now, if land downtown gets too expensive, all of a sudden a plot in the suburbs starts to make sense. In spite of land being finite, the supply curve for “land” is not straight up and down as the author asserts. I’m digesting the argument, but right now all I’m seeing is a poor tax disguised as a tax on those evil wealthy landowners. Similar to the whole lottery tax thing. Tax the lottery to fund schools in poor areas (yeah!), except that only poor people pay the lottery, the tax rate is very high, and no more funds are made available to education, lottery funds just get earmarked and other funds get diverted. Not really analogous here, but in that lottery taxes are supposed to be a tax on people who make it rich through no work of their own yet really everyone’s funding the gov’t at high rates, so it seems to me that a land value tax sounds like something that wealthy people would pay, but really would just be passed on as higher rent.

Oh, and trading slaves does violate my non-coercive requirement in that the “product” being traded does not agree to his/her enslavement. Now, the proper retort would be what if a person sells themself into slavery? That’s non-coercive, I suppose, yet I’m not sure how I feel about it. This is the only instance where I’ve found my criterion to be somewhat lacking.

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lvtfan (opposes) Sun Jan 11 18:23:50 -0800 2009

oterjo,

When a lot in the central business district (CBD) gets to be too expensive, the lot on the fringe may or may not make sense. If you’re running a fast food joint, and any employees will do, and your rent is dependent on the foot traffic, you may put in a Subway shop rather than, say, a BK. But if your business depends on a skilled labor pool, you’ll want to draw from a 360 degree radius. And if your business is specialized, not the sort of place people visit on a daily basis, you probably need to be downtown, where people from all sides of town can reach you. So if you can’t get a CBD location close to the best foot traffic, you may not pursue your business plan. But if the incentives are such that the owners of such prime sites are motivated to replace the diner with a midrise that has space for a coffeeshop on the first floor and other businesses on the next few floors and housing above, many more people will be accommodated on that 0.05 acre lot.

Lotteries, if I understand the history properly, were designed to replace the private sector “numbers,” and were promoted as a way to aid education. I think I read recently that per-capita lottery ticket sales in Massachusetts amount to $607 per person per year! That’s appalling! The notion that people feel that their chances are better with the lottery — to the tune of nearly $2 per person per day — than with their labor in the marketplace, is a scary one. It either says terrible things about our education system - what is the line? lotteries are a tax on the innumerate? - or about people’s perceptions of their chances in our economy. I don’t know which is more troubling!

I guess lottery winnings should be taxed as ordinary income; I don’t think they should be favored, as, say, “capital” gains are. But it seems odd to me to tax wages so heavily, and tax rent so lightly. We ought to be taxing land rent (not building rent) heavily — and wages and sales lightly, if at all.

Remember Leona Helmsley, and the famous quote? “We don’t pay taxes, only the little people pay taxes.” Most people think she was talking about tax evasion. But I think she might have been speaking a much larger truth: that we permit special interests to privatize the economic value of land, and foist the costs of providing the services which make this a great country and make our best land extremely valuable onto ordinary workers and consumers.

Here’s a last year’s blog post on Leona, and us: http://lvtfan.typepad.com/lvtfans_blog/2008/07/leona-helmsleys.html

Leona Helmsley’s luxury hotels would not make it outside of midtown Manhattan. Her husband’s office buildings ditto. But they didn’t make those sites valuable; we all did. Via public investment, yes; via the tax breaks we provided them, yes; via our presence as a market for them; via our tax breaks to the folks who could afford 5 start hotel rooms. Via the taxes — local, state and federal — that financed the subways and the interstates and the airports and the bridges. The list is long … and the benefits are rather concentrated in landholders!

See also http://lvtfan.typepad.com/lvtfans_blog/2008/07/we-all-pay-for.html

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