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Ok, consider this... millions and millions of people use drugs everyday whether they are legal or not. I strongly believe that the Drug War is the catylist for much of the violence and crime associated with drugs. Just like the days of alcohol prohibition we have huge crime waves and lots of violence, mainly because the illegal status of alcohol made it extremely valuable and kept honest regulated businesses from controlling the market. They ended alcohol prohibition because it didn't work and was actually counter-productive in reducing violence and crime. With your rational, you would have expected the entire nation to become a bunch of drunken frat boys. You know what though!! It didn't and crime went down and regulated alcohol sales became a major source of income for many honest people in our country. You know what else?? During alcohol prohibition there were reportedly 500 legal cannabis smoke shops in New York alone! People were using it responsibly back then and for thousands of years before that. The Drug War has been overwhelminly aimed towards cannabis even though it is actually safer than either alcohol or tobacco and does IN FACT have medicinal qualities that can be used to improve the lives of millions of sick and dying Americans. Yet between 60 to 80% of those billions and billions of dollars spent on the Drug War are spent in a futile effort to keep people from using a safer alternative. The Drug War is a failure, plain and simple. Obama along with MANY prominent officials have even admited that it just doesn't work no matter how much money we through into it. We need a new plan to more reasonably identify what restrictions should be put on different substances, but more importantly we need those regulations to CORRECTLY identify the reality of a substance. The fact that cannabis remains a Schedule 1 narcotic despite 13 or so states that currently have legal medicinal marijuana laws. Obviously there is an acceptable medicinal value to cannabis, why then has it not been rescheduled? I declare that the Controlled Substances Act has been corrupted to the point where goverment and big corporations can use it as a tool to control the public. That was not supposed to be the original intent of that act. It was supposed to be a useful way to set nationwide standards established through scientific and medical data. End the Drug War, at least the War on Cannabis. It is a crime against humanity to so calously refuse sick and dying people the right to access safe and effective medicine, especially when their state has passed a law allowing it. It's time to rethink and end the crime and violence inducing, cartel enriching, and citizen harming failure of an idea called the Drug War!

Ok, consider this… millions and millions of people use drugs everyday whether they are legal or not. I strongly believe that the Drug War is the catylist for much of the violence and crime associated with drugs. Just like the days of alcohol prohibition we have huge crime waves and lots of violence, mainly because the illegal status of alcohol made it extremely valuable and kept honest regulated businesses from controlling the market. They ended alcohol prohibition because it didn’t work and was actually counter-productive in reducing violence and crime. With your rational, you would have expected the entire nation to become a bunch of drunken frat boys. You know what though!! It didn’t and crime went down and regulated alcohol sales became a major source of income for many honest people in our country. You know what else?? During alcohol prohibition there were reportedly 500 legal cannabis smoke shops in New York alone! People were using it responsibly back then and for thousands of years before that. The Drug War has been overwhelminly aimed towards cannabis even though it is actually safer than either alcohol or tobacco and does IN FACT have medicinal qualities that can be used to improve the lives of millions of sick and dying Americans. Yet between 60 to 80% of those billions and billions of dollars spent on the Drug War are spent in a futile effort to keep people from using a safer alternative. The Drug War is a failure, plain and simple. Obama along with MANY prominent officials have even admited that it just doesn’t work no matter how much money we through into it. We need a new plan to more reasonably identify what restrictions should be put on different substances, but more importantly we need those regulations to CORRECTLY identify the reality of a substance. The fact that cannabis remains a Schedule 1 narcotic despite 13 or so states that currently have legal medicinal marijuana laws. Obviously there is an acceptable medicinal value to cannabis, why then has it not been rescheduled? I declare that the Controlled Substances Act has been corrupted to the point where goverment and big corporations can use it as a tool to control the public. That was not supposed to be the original intent of that act. It was supposed to be a useful way to set nationwide standards established through scientific and medical data. End the Drug War, at least the War on Cannabis. It is a crime against humanity to so calously refuse sick and dying people the right to access safe and effective medicine, especially when their state has passed a law allowing it. It’s time to rethink and end the crime and violence inducing, cartel enriching, and citizen harming failure of an idea called the Drug War!

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Loren, Do you really want to spend all your resources trying to stop morons from doing drugs? If indeed people are morons, then they likely contribute little to society. Why not let them do drugs and let natural selection make our country stronger?

Loren, Do you really want to spend all your resources trying to stop morons from doing drugs? If indeed people are morons, then they likely contribute little to society. Why not let them do drugs and let natural selection make our country stronger?

2009-03-01T12:49:36-08:00

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2009-05-18T14:19:41-07:00

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Legalise drugs only if we pass the piss test for welfare assistance. With a few exceptions, most dopers are usless to society. Consider it a "weed"ing out process.

Legalise drugs only if we pass the piss test for welfare assistance. With a few exceptions, most dopers are usless to society. Consider it a "weed"ing out process.

2009-03-01T22:38:34-08:00

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"With a few exceptions, most dopers are usless to society." Really? Wait, are you including cannabis users with the "dopers"??? Cause if you are you obviously don't know that many successful people, including myself and even our new president, have smoked cannabis. Many productive and successful people use cannabis... shit, what about Micheal Phelps? I would agree that "dopers" who use drugs like coke, meth and heroine, are pretty useless, but cannabis is rather mundane as far as drugs go. I feel pretty confident in saying that alcoholics are a greater waste of space than any pothead. Potheads are often open-minded and creative people.

“With a few exceptions, most dopers are usless to society.” Really? Wait, are you including cannabis users with the “dopers”??? Cause if you are you obviously don’t know that many successful people, including myself and even our new president, have smoked cannabis. Many productive and successful people use cannabis… shit, what about Micheal Phelps? I would agree that “dopers” who use drugs like coke, meth and heroine, are pretty useless, but cannabis is rather mundane as far as drugs go. I feel pretty confident in saying that alcoholics are a greater waste of space than any pothead. Potheads are often open-minded and creative people.

2009-03-02T06:27:41-08:00

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I can hardly think of any argument that would place alcohol at the top of a "most-useful to society" list, but yet it is legal. It is unnecessary to apply this regimented stricture to marijuana, as it is clearly not necessary to make a drug legal - so why not get behind the idea of "personal choice" as a reason for legalization? Personally, I'm sick of the notion that a person smoking a joint is a criminal while a person getting absolutely smashed drinking alcohol is perfectly legal. Have you ever met someone who got into a brawl because they smoked some weed? Have you ever met someone who has made a decision no rational human being would make because they are drunk? I think those two questions point to dramatically different conclusions over what the nature of this conversation on drugs is, and what it ought to be.

I can hardly think of any argument that would place alcohol at the top of a “most-useful to society” list, but yet it is legal. It is unnecessary to apply this regimented stricture to marijuana, as it is clearly not necessary to make a drug legal – so why not get behind the idea of “personal choice” as a reason for legalization? Personally, I’m sick of the notion that a person smoking a joint is a criminal while a person getting absolutely smashed drinking alcohol is perfectly legal. Have you ever met someone who got into a brawl because they smoked some weed? Have you ever met someone who has made a decision no rational human being would make because they are drunk? I think those two questions point to dramatically different conclusions over what the nature of this conversation on drugs is, and what it ought to be.

2009-05-25T21:38:51-07:00

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Have you ever met the children raised by a family of pot heads? For them the sprint of life starts at mark - 25 miles.

Have you ever met the children raised by a family of pot heads? For them the sprint of life starts at mark – 25 miles.

2009-05-25T21:47:03-07:00

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Suga-shane, thank you for the comment & reasoning on this issue.

Suga-shane, thank you for the comment & reasoning on this issue.

2009-05-25T22:30:33-07:00

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"Have you ever met the children raised by a family of ..." That argument is applied to all kinds of social groups, from blue bloods to fundamentalists. It means nothing.

“Have you ever met the children raised by a family of …” That argument is applied to all kinds of social groups, from blue bloods to fundamentalists. It means nothing.

2009-05-26T04:56:30-07:00

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All, This is actually quite simple. Rather than arguing whether or not specific drugs should be legal or illegal, why not just make them all legal and determine whether or not they're benign through consequences experienced by users? It's mere speculation on everyone's part to say, for example, that pot smokers can or cannot live productive lives. Why not let the demographic studies prove/disprove that after all drugs are made legal. Humans have very few natural predators, what's worse, we as society have made it our call to mitigate against virtually all bad decisions humans can make. The end result is we're allowing the dumbest and least productive in society to continue breeding. We are not getting stronger as a society, we are being dragged down by the weight of our consciences and the drain the "least fit" in society create. Let's legalize all drugs and thus eliminate the profit center for the gangs that have destroyed the inner cities. Let's let big business take over drugs and bring about more white collar jobs while starving the gangs. Once all drugs are legalized, we will see which drug users can survive and which ones die off. Society will end up getting stronger, we'll save money on the drug war, and we'll have new legitimate jobs for Americans.

All, This is actually quite simple. Rather than arguing whether or not specific drugs should be legal or illegal, why not just make them all legal and determine whether or not they’re benign through consequences experienced by users? It’s mere speculation on everyone’s part to say, for example, that pot smokers can or cannot live productive lives. Why not let the demographic studies prove/disprove that after all drugs are made legal. Humans have very few natural predators, what’s worse, we as society have made it our call to mitigate against virtually all bad decisions humans can make. The end result is we’re allowing the dumbest and least productive in society to continue breeding. We are not getting stronger as a society, we are being dragged down by the weight of our consciences and the drain the “least fit” in society create. Let’s legalize all drugs and thus eliminate the profit center for the gangs that have destroyed the inner cities. Let’s let big business take over drugs and bring about more white collar jobs while starving the gangs. Once all drugs are legalized, we will see which drug users can survive and which ones die off. Society will end up getting stronger, we’ll save money on the drug war, and we’ll have new legitimate jobs for Americans.

2009-05-26T05:07:36-07:00

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The govt won,t let them die off, they will put them on the public dole so they can continue to vote for their fix, like every body else on the public dole.

The govt won,t let them die off, they will put them on the public dole so they can continue to vote for their fix, like every body else on the public dole.

2009-05-26T05:27:05-07:00

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There's a lot of data available already. Some drugs, like meth and heroin, are killers. No one has ever died from using only marijuana. The problem is that the majority of "drug war" resources are devoted to chasing marijuana instead of the harmful drugs.

There’s a lot of data available already. Some drugs, like meth and heroin, are killers. No one has ever died from using only marijuana. The problem is that the majority of “drug war” resources are devoted to chasing marijuana instead of the harmful drugs.

2009-05-26T08:59:19-07:00

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Okie, Understood. I know that my political enemies are not interested in strengthening society, they're only interested in furthering their own political ambitions at everyone else's loss. Nonetheless, I just feel the need to say it like it is. We would be better off if we stopped making life idiot proof. Recluse, So, do you believe a war on meth and heroin should be waged? It sounds like your only objection to the war on drugs that the focus is too heavily on marijuana. I'm with you that it's futile and of no benefit to stop people from smoking pot, but in the same way, it's futile to try and stop people from doing meth and heroin. Drugs are highly inelastic commodities and as such simply cannot be fought by waging a war on supply. If we really want to win the war on drugs, we'd do away with demand and leave supply alone. Of course, short of locking up all drug users for life (or executing them, I suppose), we're not going to stop drug demand. We should allow economic equilibrium to be reached with all drugs. With no more restrictions on supply, big business takes over for the gangs (see ya later bloods and crips, go get jobs like everyone else) and when a druggie OD's, there's one less druggie in society. The problem will fix itself.

Okie, Understood. I know that my political enemies are not interested in strengthening society, they’re only interested in furthering their own political ambitions at everyone else’s loss. Nonetheless, I just feel the need to say it like it is. We would be better off if we stopped making life idiot proof. Recluse, So, do you believe a war on meth and heroin should be waged? It sounds like your only objection to the war on drugs that the focus is too heavily on marijuana. I’m with you that it’s futile and of no benefit to stop people from smoking pot, but in the same way, it’s futile to try and stop people from doing meth and heroin. Drugs are highly inelastic commodities and as such simply cannot be fought by waging a war on supply. If we really want to win the war on drugs, we’d do away with demand and leave supply alone. Of course, short of locking up all drug users for life (or executing them, I suppose), we’re not going to stop drug demand. We should allow economic equilibrium to be reached with all drugs. With no more restrictions on supply, big business takes over for the gangs (see ya later bloods and crips, go get jobs like everyone else) and when a druggie OD’s, there’s one less druggie in society. The problem will fix itself.

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I'm closer to your position than the "drug war." i think of the analogy of cigarette smoking. Nobody restricted the supply, just made some restrictions on advertising, required the health warnings, and ran education programs. Societal (peer) pressure made it unacceptable. Entrepreneurs introduced smoking cessation courses and OTC aids like patches. Maybe getting the drug use out in the open is a key. i think there has to be more medical intervention on the user end, too.

I’m closer to your position than the “drug war.” i think of the analogy of cigarette smoking. Nobody restricted the supply, just made some restrictions on advertising, required the health warnings, and ran education programs. Societal (peer) pressure made it unacceptable. Entrepreneurs introduced smoking cessation courses and OTC aids like patches. Maybe getting the drug use out in the open is a key. i think there has to be more medical intervention on the user end, too.

2009-05-26T19:21:13-07:00

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I think we do agree here. I'm not pro-drug use and would welcome the use of private capital for philanthropic and for-profit purposes with respect to stopping drug use. You made one very keen observation about cigarettes, namely that peer pressure made it wrong and the good news is it's been on the decline for decades. I don't think cigarette smoking will ever be eliminated, but I'm willing to bet that less people smoke cigarettes today with tobacco 100% legal than would smoke if tobacco were illegal. The war on drugs is well intentioned, but VERY misguided.

I think we do agree here. I’m not pro-drug use and would welcome the use of private capital for philanthropic and for-profit purposes with respect to stopping drug use. You made one very keen observation about cigarettes, namely that peer pressure made it wrong and the good news is it’s been on the decline for decades. I don’t think cigarette smoking will ever be eliminated, but I’m willing to bet that less people smoke cigarettes today with tobacco 100% legal than would smoke if tobacco were illegal. The war on drugs is well intentioned, but VERY misguided.

2009-05-26T19:28:42-07:00

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OMG, I can't believe we agree on something.

OMG, I can’t believe we agree on something.

2009-05-27T03:18:00-07:00

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I really don't mind if they legalise drugs. Pot grows pretty good here in Oklahoma. In fact it used to be the states #1 cash crop. It'll be a boon for my states economy. I will point this out though, Every body wants legalisation in order to "stop the bloody trade". As soon as it happens though, every one will start sqealing about the evil capitolist tourning a profit at the expence of the poor pot heads. You just wait and see it come to pass.

I really don’t mind if they legalise drugs. Pot grows pretty good here in Oklahoma. In fact it used to be the states #1 cash crop. It’ll be a boon for my states economy. I will point this out though, Every body wants legalisation in order to “stop the bloody trade”. As soon as it happens though, every one will start sqealing about the evil capitolist tourning a profit at the expence of the poor pot heads. You just wait and see it come to pass.

2009-05-27T21:25:48-07:00

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Sure. The lefties are definitely predictable. As sure as the sun rises, they'll whine about that, but sometimes you have to ignore them. It's like a crying child; just don't acknowledge the petty complaining and they'll eventually learn it doesn't get them anywhere.

Sure. The lefties are definitely predictable. As sure as the sun rises, they’ll whine about that, but sometimes you have to ignore them. It’s like a crying child; just don’t acknowledge the petty complaining and they’ll eventually learn it doesn’t get them anywhere.

2009-05-28T03:56:10-07:00

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It got Obama elected.

It got Obama elected.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

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Like Jaywalking, the filmmakers interview a very small number of people and throw out the ones that don't fit the theme. What the film does show is that some Americans don't care or know much about politics. To extrapolate from a dozen people at a gathering to 60 million voters is disingenuous.

Like Jaywalking, the filmmakers interview a very small number of people and throw out the ones that don’t fit the theme. What the film does show is that some Americans don’t care or know much about politics. To extrapolate from a dozen people at a gathering to 60 million voters is disingenuous.

2009-05-29T09:41:32-07:00

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Damage control?

Damage control?

2009-05-29T10:15:22-07:00

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ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS TOBACCO ........................ 400,000 ALCOHOL ........................ 100,000 ALL LEGAL DRUGS .............20,000 ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ..........15,000 CAFFEINE .........................2,000 ASPIRIN ...........................500 MARIJUANA ...................... 0 ---------------------------------------- Source: United States government... National Institute on Drug Abuse, Bureau of Mortality Statistics

ANNUAL AMERICAN DEATHS CAUSED BY DRUGS TOBACCO …………………… 400,000 ALCOHOL …………………… 100,000 ALL LEGAL DRUGS ………….20,000 ALL ILLEGAL DRUGS ……….15,000 CAFFEINE …………………….2,000 ASPIRIN ………………………500 MARIJUANA …………………. 0 ———————————————————— Source: United States government… National Institute on Drug Abuse, Bureau of Mortality Statistics

2009-05-29T14:46:04-07:00

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Here's more perspective from the CDC Number of deaths for leading causes of death (2006) * Heart disease: 631,636 * Cancer: 559,888 * Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119 * Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583 * Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599 * Diabetes: 72,449 * Alzheimer's disease: 72,432 * Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326 * Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344 * Septicemia: 34,234 marijuana: still 0

Here’s more perspective from the CDC Number of deaths for leading causes of death (2006) * Heart disease: 631,636 * Cancer: 559,888 * Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 137,119 * Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 124,583 * Accidents (unintentional injuries): 121,599 * Diabetes: 72,449 * Alzheimer’s disease: 72,432 * Influenza and Pneumonia: 56,326 * Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 45,344 * Septicemia: 34,234 marijuana: still 0

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I don't doubt the number of deaths from marijuana is low, but do you really believe it's zero? Surely someone's gotten high, got in the car and crashed. Just as smoke from tobacco can cause cancer in every part of the body that is exposed to it, it's foolhardy to think marijuana smoke is not carcinogenic. I know, I know, it's from the earf, but particulates in one's lungs is not a good thing healthwise. I'm not saying this is a reason to make pot illegal; I'm definitely in the drugs should be legal camp, but do you really think you're going to convince people pot should be legal because it's benign? That's quite a stretch. It's a harmless vice for those around pot smokers, but there are health issues users will have to deal with. So what, though, again, not a reason to criminalize it's usage, just don't sound like a fool in making your argument.

I don’t doubt the number of deaths from marijuana is low, but do you really believe it’s zero? Surely someone’s gotten high, got in the car and crashed. Just as smoke from tobacco can cause cancer in every part of the body that is exposed to it, it’s foolhardy to think marijuana smoke is not carcinogenic. I know, I know, it’s from the earf, but particulates in one’s lungs is not a good thing healthwise. I’m not saying this is a reason to make pot illegal; I’m definitely in the drugs should be legal camp, but do you really think you’re going to convince people pot should be legal because it’s benign? That’s quite a stretch. It’s a harmless vice for those around pot smokers, but there are health issues users will have to deal with. So what, though, again, not a reason to criminalize it’s usage, just don’t sound like a fool in making your argument.

2009-05-29T18:58:15-07:00

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Cannabis has anti-cancer properties that can cancel out the effects of carcinogens. Besides that, you can vaporize it or eat it and there's zero carcinogen exposure. They've done studies in cannabis only cultures like in Jamaica and found literally no increase in cancer rates compared to people who smoke nothing.

Cannabis has anti-cancer properties that can cancel out the effects of carcinogens. Besides that, you can vaporize it or eat it and there’s zero carcinogen exposure. They’ve done studies in cannabis only cultures like in Jamaica and found literally no increase in cancer rates compared to people who smoke nothing.

2009-05-31T09:00:54-07:00

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Yes, and I'm sure tobacco lobbyists can find "studies" that show tobacco is benign too. Bottom line, if the first time you do something it makes you cough, that's your body saying don't do that shit again. My biggest concern every time I advocate for legalized drugs is that I'll get lumped together with the pot-is-good-for-you-man crowd. Enjoy your pot, just stop with the lies to get it legalized. PS "you can vaporize it or eat it..." Right, I suppose that's what the vast majority of pot users do.

Yes, and I’m sure tobacco lobbyists can find “studies” that show tobacco is benign too. Bottom line, if the first time you do something it makes you cough, that’s your body saying don’t do that shit again. My biggest concern every time I advocate for legalized drugs is that I’ll get lumped together with the pot-is-good-for-you-man crowd. Enjoy your pot, just stop with the lies to get it legalized. PS “you can vaporize it or eat it…” Right, I suppose that’s what the vast majority of pot users do.

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