President Obama, please:
Stop subsidizing ethanol

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Corn ethanol is inefficient for many reasons. Recently, it has become a political football and a way to get votes in the Iowa primaries. We need a leader to step up and end these subsidies, or at least subsidize sugarcane ethanol instead. This will save money and energy, and lower food prices.

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Ethanol takes too much energy to produce. You need to plant and tend and harvest the field. Then you use more energy to distill the alcohol. Then it must be trucked to the destination because you can’t put it in the pipeline. Unless we use nuclear power to fuel the farm equipment and the boilers for distilling, we are merely converting one carbon based fuel for another.

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Any money spent by the federal government on alternative fuels should be focused on using waste products (such as biomass) as fuel. Otherwise, we’ll be adding to two problems: we don’t know what to do with our overflowing landfills; we are running out of arable farmland on this planet (and especially in this country) and we can’t afford to waste anymore land (or money) on corn.

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trading a fuel shortage for a food shortage? rock stupid.
killing our planet when geothermal power is the obvious easy solution? even rock stupider.
killing our ecosystem by hitting it double by growing the fuel and then burning it rather than with oil just hitting the ecosystem hard once? And they have the gall to call that GREEN? only geothermal, solar, and tidal are truly green.

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MIT Technology Review: “Prior studies have estimated, based on national production averages, that one liter of corn-derived ethanol should require 263 to 784 liters of water to both grow the crop and convert it into fuel. Now, researchers at the University of Minnesota have concluded that the amount of water used in ethanol production varies hugely from state to state, ranging from 5 to 2,138 liters of water per liter of ethanol, depending on regional irrigation needs.”

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Creating fuel from a feedstock that requires almost as much energy to make as it contains is silly. Alcohol is meant to go in college students to make their empty lives seem funnier. We’re taking perfectly good 200 proof ethanol and ruining it with gasoline. Congress should use the ethanol blenders tax credit of 51 cpg to research a tasty alcoholic beverage to be made from corn…or not at all.

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Randy Bain (endorses) Thu Feb 19 07:58:33 -0800 2009

Have you seen the research on ethanol from hemp? Makes using corn look ridiculous.

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oterj0 (endorses) Wed Nov 11 19:38:34 -0800 2009

Would you care to identify these “massive subsidies” given to the oil industry? I have no clue what you’re referring to. Certainly tax breaks do come into play for certain production projects, etc, but in general the gov’t gets makes money off oil when they lease lots for exploration, when they collect royalties on production, when they collect the highway fuel tax, and when the oil companies pay corporate taxes. Are you arguing that oil companies receive subsidies in excess of these taxes? What are they?

If you look at ethanol, the federal gov’t provides a 45 cpg incentive, which is nearly 3 times the 18.4 cpg federal gasoline tax. Considering ethanol wholesales around $2/gal currently, the subsidy is nearly 25% of fair market value of the product. That’s a massive subsidy. Gasoline and diesel are absolutely not being subsidized to the tune of ethanol. Either way, it sounds as if you support removing subsidies on fuel production, in which we both agree. Neither oil nor ethanol (nor any other fuel) should be subsidized; the market should determine the winners and losers.

As for the externalities of oil, there are externalities of any fuel. For example, burning ethanol in vehicles tends to produce more NOx and less carbon monoxide than gasoline. The pollutants are different, but it’s not entirely clear which is worse. To assume the choice here is between oil, a fuel source riddled with hypercostly externalities, and some other fuel source that has no environmental impact is pure naivete on your part. Besides, if you’re concerned about the environmental impact of oil, then by all means, don’t use oil products. Ride a bike to work; I won’t stop you. If there truly are enough people who think like you, oil won’t be demanded and an alternative may pop up as oil loses economy of scale.

Oil from a physical point of view is a great fuel source. It’s a high energy density liquid, which is exactly what we need to fuel vehicles. Refining is a relatively minor upgrading step to make crude into usable gasoline and diesel. Converting low energy density solids, particularly ones that have to be cultivated, into a high energy density liquid fuel just doesn’t make as much sense. I’ll grant you it makes a lot more sense than trying to have vehicles running on gaseous fuels, but it’s just inherently tough for crops to compete with oil as a cost competitive feedstock for transport fuels.

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Okie (endorses) Wed Nov 11 20:13:15 -0800 2009

Better to just keep the hemp in the textiles.
Magnetism boys, that’s the wave of the future.

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